Monday, April 6, 2009

Nancy Schaefer on CPS... You Tube...Onsite conflict... Alamo... A Nasty business... Billy Joel Music Video... You May Be Right... I May Be Crazy

["Nancy Schaefer on CPS"; as submitted to You Tube by Amiablyme on March 13, 2009;]

Bringing an ongoing discussion / conflict (from below) into the light [Nancy Schaefer, above, does appear (ouch!) to make some very good points... This appears to be a VERY complex issue!]:

1. Anonymous said... "For up to date information about alamo please go to:" (April 5, 2009 6:13 AM)

2. Anonymous said... "Thank you for your interest in tony alamo. It is important to get the truth about him out to the world. Too many people have destroyed their lives and their children's lives because they could not see the truth behind the falsehoods he used to control them. Please see all the latest about him and his court case which will start in May, by going to this website of accurate information." (April 5, 2009 6:31 AM)

3. N.S. said... "Anonymous, Thank you for the response and link. I will check it out in a little while :)"(April 5, 2009 9:32 AM)

4. N.S. said... "Anon, Definitely a comprehensive link! Thank you again... If anyone wants to follow this issue further please go (for now) to (I will put this in the sidebar)..." (April 5, 2009 10:56 AM)

5. Anonymous said... "If you want the truth about Tony Alamo and the fact that CPS has stolen innocent children from their parents and what this is REALLY about go and research...
read the sites and watch the videos." (April 5, 2009 8:52 PM)

6. N.S. said... "Anon 8:52PM...Because everyone is entitled their opinion and "freedom of speech" I have respectfully (despite having formed some fairly solid opinions on this matter, which may well dif fer from your own) put your post and suggested links here... In all cases, however, readers are advised to follow other reader's links at their own discretion --- as I do not have the time nor inclination to check out all of them" (April 5, 2009 10:47 PM)

7. Anonymous said... "Factnet = CIA Operation... information on this is on this link..." (April 6, 2009 8:44 AM)

8. Anonymous said... "PACA and tonyalamonews is run by the same people involved in factnet. They have just taken on a new name...
there is far more to this and without serious research on how our Vatican govt. operates, you will be deceived by these people and groups who are bribed, threatened and coerced into helping to destroy bible believing Christians and Pastors.
6 interviews all say there was NO abuse!" (April 6, 2009 8:48 AM)

9. N.S. said... "Actually (this is my opinion / your choices are your own) I would prefer that folks pay the "most" attention to CNN, MSNBC, etc. news coverage and/or to other professional investigator / reporter (Associated Press, etc) coverage of the Alamo case (s) - AND in regard to the other cases (responses have developed a singular focus here) noted... Why? Because photos and videos (complete with police raids and arrests depicted, etc) "do" speak "1,000 words" --- and any other site / orgainization "might" (I am not saying "does") have its own (for good or ill) agenda... I would have to "loosely" include FactNet in this latter category (at least until I explore the issue more; and this, only if I find the time...) --- since some such groups [i.e., The Cult Awareness Network?] "have" been known to change alliances [or to become infiltrated by (speaking in general terms here) "cult" members (not a good thing) and/or investigators (not a bad thing) of one type or another] over the course of time. It does behoove me to point out (in FactNet's favor?) that it is apparently (at least in some cases) a few folks associated "with" FactNet that have "supplied" some of the official news (CNN, etc.) coverage videos of the Alamo case (s) "to" You Tube" (April 6, 2009 10:08 AM)

10. Anonymous said... "It's a shame that people in this world are so blinded by the lies, slander and propaganda of the now vatican controlled news media. If you want to remain in a fantasy world of lies. Just turn on the Brain washing machine TV and believe that this is God talking to you. Very sad! Wake up America! You are being deceived!!! The whole world wandered after the beast (One World Government) Read the bible. repent and be saved it's only going to get a whole lot worse!" (April 6, 2009 10:42 AM)

11. Anonymous said... "Here's some you tube videos. Some of the few they haven't taken down to prove that there is NO abuse at the Alamo videos...
Children being legally kidnapped at machine gun point and stolen away from their loving, caring parents. Truly sad and discusting! how would you or others feel if this happened to you? What a horrible thing to do to children! This IS ABUSE! PProof these children were not abused! ... The ATROCITIES of CPS/DHS KIDNAPPING BY FORMER SENATOR NANCY SHCAFFER> ... full videos of ALL 6 girls stolen from Alamo Ministries can be seen on ... This is what they don't want you to see!!! Because they are crooks and child stealers and this is happening all over the world. It's all about MONEY and destroying anyone who exposes the Vatican" (April 6, 2009 11:02 AM)

12. tony58 said... "The reason "they" are destroy Tony Alamo's Christian Ministry is because he is preaching the TRUTH about the anti-Christ!!!! The anti-Christ is the Vatican and the Pope's seat. The False Prophet is the "Priests" and "Preachers" and Satan gives them their power. And the Jesuits are his army!!!! LET THE CHRISTIAN PASTOR OUT OF JAIL!!!! and GIVE THE CHILDREN BACK TO THE PARENTS THAT LOVE THE AND ARE TRYING TO BRING THEM UP REAL CHRISTIANS!!!!! WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" (April 6, 2009 11:37 AM)

13. N.S. said... "Okedokee... I will (when I get a chance) check into some of the sites and videos that you are suggesting. But I will not allow any more forceful [skip the caps (internet shouting)], "condemning" (for lack of a better word) and/or unsubstantiated [re the Vatican, associated Media reports around this issue, etc.] allegations --- or other posts that I deem borderline to outright abusive [I do not appreciate rudeness here] in tone... Did you take the time to listen to "Let it Be?" Or to watch the great musicals posted up above? Either / or might (?) help you to calm down and get centered... Let's all keep this even toned and rational, okay? Thank You" (April 6, 2009 12:17 PM)

14. Anonymous said... "i don't even call them reporters! 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, THERE, even The Word of God tells us that!!!!!!!" (April 6, 2009 1:16 PM)

15. tony58 said... "N.S. ... Take time to read your Bible! Forget about the beatles!!! And, it's hard to be "toned and rational" when Children are suffering!!!!" (April 6, 2009 1:46 PM)

16. N.S. said... "tony58, Is there a list anywhere in regard to how much food, medicine or money Mr. Alamo has donated to hungry children, food pantries, homeless shelters, battered women's shelters, etc.? As I noted in an earlier post, Mr. Alamo's tax exempt status was not pulled (This was years ago and it might have been reinstated since...) until his "church holdings" had ACRUED [What does your personal savings account and /or list of assets look like?] around $50 MILLION [my turn] DOLLARS... which would sure relieve some of the suffering that was (then) and is (now) being experienced by the world's children... wouldn't it?" (April 6, 2009 2:01 PM)

17. tony58 said... "Jesus said; 6 ¶ Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you... 16 And he would fain have filled his belly with the husks that the swine did eat: and no man gave unto him" (April 6, 2009 2:18 PM)

18. Anonymous said... "I would like to see the videos of them stealing the children on here. You seem to have posted all the garbage lies available against Pastor Alamo. First it's child porn..oops! found none! then it's child abuse. All 6 girls stolen at gun point said no in those videos. How about the confesion interview with the former FBI Agent that was hired to assassinate Pastor Alamo? Please put up the videos of the kids being stolen right on the side of the road..hear them screaming for their mommies and daddy's.? If this doesn't break your heart then nothing will. How about the parents who are inn jail now because they won't turn over their other kids to the Nazi DHS? would you? there is also a letter from one of the mothers who's child is being abused in foster care. Where is that? Please don't further the government abuse on these parents and children and Pastor by putting up one sided garbage from the lying news media. They are told what to print and speak. News flash the major media IS controlled and most of it is garbage! lies and slander to deceive the zombies with who believe the lies. The truth is not allowed out to the media. But you are right take a look at the kids on the videos and these parents. And at least put up their videos!" (April 6, 2009 3:19 PM)

I am now posting (collectively) the following links [Copy & Paste into your address bar].

Please take time to watch all of the videos - if you are so inclined - and please respond (if so inclined) in respectful non-threatening tones.

["Billy Joel-You May Be Right"; as submitted to You Tube by GlensterMusicKarafun on April 17, 2008;]

Be well.



Anonymous said...

the talk was between people other than you or what I got confused by this very early on this AM. Please clarify

N.S. said...

Lets just say that when people start saying (TO ME) the sort of thing said below (which could BE from Tony Alamo for all I know!) - I want other people to be AWARE of it...

tony58 said... "Jesus said; 6 ¶ Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you... 16 And he would fain have filled his belly with the husks that the swine did eat: and no man gave unto him" (April 6, 2009 2:18 PM)

This IS - after all - a Bible based "threat" --- referring, I believe, to murder and evisceration...

And it isn't the sort of thing that helps ME believe in the presence of a "LOVING" God.

Other than that, some interesting points ARE made (on both sides of the issue) in the midst of this discussion...

But I'm not going to explain or try to expand (sorry, I've had enough of this) on anything. It "is what it is" and "I'm" done with it.


Anonymous said...

It's really too bad you won't put the video of the terrified children being stolen by the Nazi CPS/DHS. Or the videos of the parents who love their children so much that they will not turn them over to the devil. They are in jail.

Here's another one just one of the mentally deranged parents the government is using to bring about these false charges.
Because of these false accusers these innocent, loved and well cared for children's lives have been torn apart.
Listen to the interview from a former FBI agent assigned to assassinate Pastor Alamo.

New Literature by Pastor Alamo

The Antichrists
The Antichristians
The Godless
The Community
Famous Ex-Cons

Government Racketeering Child Protective Services, DHS, Judges Involved;
Our Children Were Kidnapped and Now Sold
Slander Works

To Secular
You Have A Great Responsibility Before God
I Want Your Kids!
Tony Alamo News Release

Government Child Kidnapping
$4,000 bonuses, Corrupt Child Protective Services, foster children abused and murdered by foster care providers
God's Strong Man
False Accusers Against Tony Alamo

How This Mighty Work Started

Messages from Pastor Alamo

Letters to Pastor Alamo
updated: February 14, 2009

Motion to Dismiss or Strike References to Religion

Pastor Alamo railroaded to prison - Prosecutor Chris Belcher hides books that would have proven Tony Alamo innocent

Responses to false charges against Tony Alamo
updated: February 20, 2009

Anyone that has ever been martyred for the Gospel was martyred on slander and lies.

There is no possible way that anybody could ever have been put to death or nailed to a cross, or burned at the stake unless there was a lot of propaganda and a lot of slander.

Everybody who has been nailed to a cross or burned at the stake was put there by slander. Jesus was nailed to the cross with a bunch of slander. They put millions of Jews to death because of slander.

There is no way they could ever have cut the Apostle Paul's head off without giving some kind of slanderous reason. The same thing had to happen before Peter was crucified upside down. Christ, all the apostles, the prophets, and the Jews in Germany-they were all slandered. And people believed it.
December 10, 2008
From Pastor Alamo

Here is how the US Government is breaking the law of the land.

Article the third [Amendment I]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Greg Szymanski, Tom Friess, and John Peeler
January 16, 2009
interview with former government agent, who refused to murder Tony Alamo
Then ask yourself why CNN, MSNBC or any of the other so called trusted media doesn't put any of this truth out to the people?

Anonymous said...

I don't know you. But I can tell you that the most important decision you will ever make is where you will spend eternity. Heaven or Hell.
God loves those that have repented, who fear him and keep his commandments, ye must be born again in the spirit to enter into heaven.
Almost every Pastor in the churches now are NOT telling people the truth. Those that are are being persecuted, jailed, lied about and slandered.
Get yourself an authorized 1611 King James version bible and start reading what God expects from you so that you will not be deceived by the lies of this world and will be ready to enter heaven and stay out of hell. All these things in this world DO NOT matter. Life is like a vapor and we never know when we might go before God to be judged.
The bible is the word of God and HIS instructions for life and every question you might have are found in his word.
Hell is full of "good" people. We are all born in sin and shaped in iniquity. Only Jesus can save a person from sin, satan, death, hell and the grave.
Repent and be saved. This world is only going to get a whole lot worse. And only Jesus can save you and give you the spirit, strength and endurance to get through it and enter into his kingdom.
Praise the holy name of Jesus Christ!

N.S. said...

Hey, do any of you folks that think I'm "hell bound" know this lady?

Received in my Email today - please do not respond - it is most likely a scam / bogus...

"From Mrs.Teresa Nathanson
Abidjan Cote D'ivoire
West Africa.

Dearest In Christ,
My greetings to you in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

I am Mrs. Teresa Nathanson from South Africa. I am married to arch-bishop Stephen Nathanson whom untill his death served as arch-bishop of the St.Mark's Anglican Church in Cote d'Ivoire for Ten years before he died in the year 2004. We were married for Thirty-Five years without a child. He died after a brief illness that lasted for only a week.

After the death of my husband I decided as a born again Christian not to look for a child outside my matrimonial home which the Bible is against. When my late husband was alive he deposited the sum of $6.5.Million (Six Million Five hundred thousand U.S.Dollars) under suspense account in one of the famouse bank here in Abidjan capital of Cote d'Ivoire for safe keeping.

Presently, my Doctor confirmed to me that I have serious sickness which is cancer problem. The one that disturbs me most is my stroke sickness. Haven known my condition I decided to donate this fund to a church, individual or an organization that will utilize this money the way I am going to instruct herein. I want this fund to be use for orphanage Homes, helping the widows, propagating the word of God and to endeavor that the house of God is maintained.

The Bible made us to understand that 'blessed is the hand that giveth' I took this decision because I don't have any child that will inherit this money and my husband relatives are not Christians and I don't want my husband's efforts to be used by unbelievers. I don't want a situation where this money will be used in an ungodly way. This is why I am taking this decision. I am not afraid of death hence I know where I am going. I know that I am going to be in the bosom of the Lord. Exodus 14 VS 14 says that 'the lord will fight my case and I shall hold my peace' I don't need any telephone communication in this regard because of my health condition and the presence of my husband's relatives are around me always. I don't want them to know about this development. With God all things are possible.

As soon as I receive your reply I will give you the contact of the bank here in Abidjan. I want you and the church to always pray for me because the lord is my shephard. My happiness is that I lived a life of a worthy Christian by the grace of God. Whoever that Wants to serve the Lord must serve him in spirit and Truth. Please always be prayerful all through your life. Any delay in your reply will give me room in sourcing another church or individual for this same purpose. Please assure me that you will act accordingly as I Stated herein. Hoping to receive your reply. Due to present condition of my health, I was warned by my doctor to avoid receiving or making any call. Remain blessed in the Lord.

Yours in Christ,
Mrs. Teresa Nathanson."

Anonymous said...

What is a suspense account--an expense sheet held over your head? Where's the scam part asking for your money? Nancy I hope you don't worry your head about "where you will spend eternity" as the most important question to ponder. Eschatology is a concept by which we measure our pain to reword Lennon's song. Listening to the late John Lennon's modern masterpieces of music is a way to measure our pain also. Years ago jokingly I said "Imagine there's no Lennon" before he was shot on 12/8/80.

The nexus of converging head butts here reflects the extremists who are just as nuts as some other fanatics. I wrote some controversial replies to some of the people who posted here but decided to not forward any of them in order to keep some remnant of peacefulness in the cyberwaves of my brain where purple mountain magistrates think they're above the very law they are sworn to uphold; where people like me can rewrite things like I just did to laugh at the folly that we have constitutionally sewn into our psyches thinking we have the very best form of governance in relation to our handling of religious matters where “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.” I know no one ever had this take on the first part of that bill of rights sentence that I say now--it could or should mean that congress should not enact legislation where any member of the Senate or Assembly tries to make laws that display “respect” for an establishment of religion as well as not trying to legislate it--to keep it separate.

We have gone way too far by not making them pay their fair share of taxes especially the ones who are now paying settlements in the abuse cases. Not having a senator be able to introduce a bill that called for all people to remove their hats or shoes and make the sign of the cross or star or crescent moon or Buddha belly when you enter the Senate floor or pass the Lincoln Memorial or the Statue of Liberty, etc. is the basic formula that was intended by that sentence in the bill of rights. Having your freed ‘om’ taken away like the Chinese do to the Tibetans if you meditate or being persecuted like the long-suffering Jews are two examples of how some groups still perniciously attack innocent people who are simply trying to live their lives within the cultural context of their own heritage and centuries-old belief systems.
Pinchas Werba

N.S. said...

Hi pw,

You are right. This one had no $ request attached, as many of them do. Perhaps (lol) it is a lead in?

I don't worry about where I'm going to spend eternity. It is often all I can do (lol) to figure out how I'm going to spend my day!

I respect the fact that you held back on some responses... if that is what felt right for you.

There are some I maybe should have held back on, as well. But it "is what it is..." and I did get "hooked" into this pretty good.

I'm a big believer in all of our constitutional freedoms... which is why I don't shut down any posts unless they are outright abusive...

Abuse - from anyone - being another issue all together...

Thanks for being there. You are a well of wisdom.

Peace, Love, Equality and Humane Justice,


Anonymous said...

Tony Alamo Christian Ministries and two parents to file complaint today in Federal Court in Texarkana, at 2:00 p.m. seeking to enjoin state officials from forcing them to leave their church
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Desere' Howard
CPSWatch Legal Team
316 SE MLK Blvd
Stuart, Florida 34994
Phone 772.293.9632
Fax 772.382.6188

CPS Watch Legal Team
Press Release

Tony Alamo Christian Ministries and two parents to file complaint today in Federal Court in Texarkana, at 2:00 p.m. seeking to enjoin state officials from forcing them to leave their church.

Texarkana, Arkansas (MMD Newswire) April 9, 2009 -- The Tony Alamo Ministries will file a complaint in federal court seeking to enjoin the Arkansas Department of Human Services from disrupting it's operation as an organization by harassing it's members and using the unlawful seizure of children to shut down the church.

The church and parents seek to enjoin DHS from requiring parents to leave the church as a prerequisite to getting their children back, to stop DHS from picking up any more children on the basis of an ex parte order without an opportunity to be heard, to stop DHS from taking the unborn children from its members at the time of birth, and to stop the unlawful vaccination of children against the parents religious beliefs and in contrast to Arkansas law.

Today, distinguished civil rights lawyer, Phillip E. Kuhn, filed a complaint with the US District Court for the Western District of Arkansas on behalf of Tony Alamo Christian Ministries alleging violations of the church's first amendments rights as well as Fourth, Fifth and Fourteenth amendment violations. Mr. Kuhn is the lead attorney for CPSWatch Legal team, a joint effort on behalf of two National Organizations known for serving as citizen watchdogs for child protection services. According to the complaint, the state court violated their rights and then issued a GAG order preventing them from seeking redress.

"Judge Barnes enjoys an excellent reputation as a jurist of exceptional learning and fairness. I am confident the court will give me a fair hearing and vindicate the constitutional abuses my clients have suffered at the hands of the authorities" says Mr. Kuhn, who has been practicing Civil Rights law for more than 40 years.

Cheryl Barnes, founder of CPSWatch said, ""This case doesn't seek to prohibit the DHS from protecting children; rather it asks that they follow established procedures that protect Constitutional rights. If DHS has allegations of abuse or neglect against a particular child, they can petition the court to remove that child for his protection. We're simply asking that DHS not be allowed to use the mere association with the ministry as a presumption of abuse. DHS's method of picking up children first and asking questions later must end. Serious damage can be caused to children by removal from their parents for even small amounts of time."

Cheryl Barnes founded CPSWatch after her son Taler, was seriously injured in foster care. An appellate court returned her son by court order ruling that the child should have never been removed from her custody. However, before the Appellate Courts were able to review the mother's case and return the child, he suffered a skull fracture, four rib fractures, a hip fracture and his eyes were gouged at the hands of his foster caregivers, leaving him legally blind and permanently brain injured. She serves the CPSWatch legal team as a litigation specialist in cases of child abuse and neglect.

"April is National Child abuse month", states Desere' Howard, Executive Director of Families Best Interest and CPSWatch Legal Team Coordinator, that provides services to parents, "this is a great month to prevent children from being abused in any situation, including children are being abused in foster care by the very persons sworn to protect them. Once again officials have painted with too broad a brush. These parents have spent thousands of hours attempting to satisfy the state's demands, while being met with worker's who merely pay lip service to the court's goal of reunifying the children. The person who is accused of prospective abuse is in jail, awaiting a trial, he is presumed innocent until proven guilty. The department has a duty, mandated by Federal law to protect children using the least restrictive means; the DHS had many options to help these families and their children without removing them from their homes. They chose not to. They made bad decisions. They have hurt these families. We will hold them accountable. DHS thinks that they are above the law and have no accountability to the citizens of Texarkana and the state of Arkansas. Since we have been here other parents have come out of the wood work describing abuses perpetrated by the local DHS office here. Secret hearings and GAG orders do not serve the children of this state and instead serve only to protect the illegal actions of the Government. A true democracy is the cornerstone of America, one that is transparent to the citizens it serves and accountable for their actions or lack thereof."

Copies of the complaint and its attachments are available by sending a request to